One of the frontrunners in the landmark by-election, independent Michelle Milthorpe, as well as One Nation MP Barnaby Joyce, also joined us on the podcast.
While the US president has been at odds with the UK prime minister over Iran, the royals were able to bring the charm to Washington.
The case crystallises a wider public anxiety: an incredibly powerful technology is being built and controlled by a tiny number of feuding tech bros.
When a big defence tech chief starts sounding off about civilisation, he’s not just expressing an opinion.